Independence Day vs. War of the Worlds

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  1. ContraPoints

    ContraPoints年 前

    Thanks for talking about this

  2. todd johnson

    todd johnson23 日 前

    Hedge Ah moan E.

  3. Max Flower

    Max Flowerヶ月 前

    lol u facist

  4. That80sGuy1972

    That80sGuy19722 ヶ月 前

    You forgot to address the pre-9/11 USA with their mixed reaction to the alien invasion. Aliens obliterating certain cites via their capital ships were often met with audience cheers. Most of those who watched the movie felt the world had an awesome future after their initial crippling attack that killed off the powers that be right after the rest of Earth killed off those who did it... just like the dawn of my nation (American revolutionary war).

  5. Allison Wilson

    Allison Wilson4 ヶ月 前

    I love you goddess <3

  6. Steven Cleere

    Steven Cleere6 ヶ月 前

    You mean the M O U T H F E E L, right?

  7. Tommy Lellan

    Tommy Lellan6 時間 前

    The second half of War of the Worlds changes when the viewer realises Ogilvie is not real... Btw the first attack scene in the theatres was one of the scariest moments of my life! They should’ve had warnings for people with heart conditions.

  8. Psychotol

    Psychotol日 前

    A real alien invasion would probably involve something like a Project Thor only from further away (Keiper belt or Oort cloud) and with more rods. Lose the pesky humans, then land and hoover up all the recoverable resources.

  9. REDneck Nestor

    REDneck Nestor3 日 前

    "It is dumb as a bag of rocks and it is one of my favorite movies, I love it." I felt that echo inside the part of my brain and body which relates to things.

  10. DeathKitta

    DeathKitta3 日 前

    I thought that the people in the cage started to help because they have nothing left. People with the car and the crazy guy from the basement, they have something to fight for, some kind of hope. People in that cage didn't have it. They knew they will die, they can't fight and can't escape. So when some action started they helped because they can do something rather than just lie and wait for death.

  11. Magenta 29

    Magenta 293 日 前

    “This movie doesn’t get a Randy Quaid, Robbie! It’s not 1996 anymore.”

  12. NPC no. 13456734

    NPC no. 134567344 日 前

    UUUUUULAAAAA

  13. Music Account

    Music Account5 日 前

    You mentioned Cloverfield Lane, but why omit Cloverfield? Isn't it a good action invasion thriller?

  14. TheFlatCapChap

    TheFlatCapChap5 日 前

    Fun fact the alien ship explosion in Independence Day is just the Empire State Building explosion upside down. The more you know.

  15. Dari Scar

    Dari Scar5 日 前

    "In the end, it was not guns and bombs that defeated the aliens, but that humblest of all God's creatures, the Tyrannosaurus Rex."

  16. Jeremy McLaughlin

    Jeremy McLaughlin6 日 前

    10:00- Somewhere out there, Doug Walker is having a mini-stroke at the mere mention of this timeless running gag.

  17. Sofía Laura Mengoni

    Sofía Laura Mengoni7 日 前

    What do you think about the movie "Signs"?

  18. Laura Jane Campbell

    Laura Jane Campbell7 日 前

    Very interesting take! As a huge War of the Worlds fan, i have some interesting trivia about the Tim Robins character. In the iconic Musical adaptation of the War of the Worlds by Jeff Wayne, there are two characters that have been merged into Tim Robins' character (Ogilvy). The first is a traumatized Artilleryman, who wants to fight back and dig an underground utopia. In the Musical, this is the song "Brave New World", and sounds like manic delusions. Then there's a priest called Nathaniel, who has completely gone bonkers, and almost alerts the aliens to their hiding place. The protag cuts off his crazy ramblings of "demons" by knocking him out with a shovel. So seeing as Jeff Wayne's musical adaptation was the latest iteration of War of The Worlds when the production of this movie took place, it's likely possible that James Cameron based Ogilvy off of the Artilleryman and Nathaniel. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk. :^)

  19. TheDarkerKnight

    TheDarkerKnight7 日 前

    youre like a real life Janeane Garofolo. Take that for what you want but its a compliment! I really like your videos.

  20. Philemon Vanderbeck

    Philemon Vanderbeck8 日 前

    Hmmm . . . now I wonder what would've happened if Spielberg had allowed the Robbie character to become the Tim Robbins's role, and having father need to kill son for his reckless, and increasing, stupidity?

  21. Paige Arnold

    Paige Arnold8 日 前

    Maybe I'm just stupid, but wouldnt War of the Worlds make a good TV series than movie?

  22. Wolfgang Kenshin

    Wolfgang Kenshin8 日 前

    Hot take: war of the worlds is a realistic movie, in part, precisely because there are no complete story arcs.

  23. Fun Size

    Fun Size9 日 前

    Independence day is, was, and always will be one of my favorite movies. I really wanted to like War of the Worlds, but all I remembered about it until this video was how much Dakota Fanning's relentless banshee screeching made me wish she'd get vaporized.

  24. Yoshi5020

    Yoshi502010 日 前

    5:47 ahahahah.... okay, yeah, we're on the same page

  25. Tareltonlives

    Tareltonlives11 日 前

    Best alien invasion movie of the past 20 years? Godzilla King of the Monsters

  26. Te Kaha Broadbent-King

    Te Kaha Broadbent-King11 日 前

    I like Tom Cruise but I didn’t like War of Worlds

  27. cdscs scscs

    cdscs scscs11 日 前

    mmmmmmm yes and nooo dakota fanning HAHAHAHA oh man you're the best

  28. Aaron Morris

    Aaron Morris11 日 前

    I don't think Independence Day and War of the Worlds make for a good comparison. Independence Day has more in common with the big star-studded popcorn disaster films of the 1970's, than it is to dystopian/invasion fears of War of the Worlds. In fact, just as 70s disaster flicks like "Earthquake", "Towering Inferno", and "The Posideon Adventure" shared the same template with different situations, "Independence Day" is just a different situation. Alien invasion rather than earthquakes, burning buildings or at sea catastrophes.

  29. Amber Dent

    Amber Dent11 日 前

    Remember Falling Skies? Because _I_ remember Falling Skies. The earlier seasons were superb and then it just...devolved.

  30. Roberto

    Roberto12 日 前

    Well i think Robbie represent all the young boys and girls that joined the army after 911 not knowing who was the enemy or how to defeat them, they were impulsive and reckless and ther fathers didnt know how to stop them because they too wanted retaliation.

  31. MudanaNingen

    MudanaNingen12 日 前

    It’s weird. I agree with everything said, yet I still find myself loving War of the Worlds more. It must be how damn terrifying those tripods are.

  32. George van der Riet

    George van der Riet13 日 前

    Don't forget "Signs"

  33. Michael Schwartz

    Michael Schwartz13 日 前

    As much as I want to side with WotW's nihilism, I actually think some of Independence Day's "quiet unity in the face of impending destruction" is more accurate. I just wish the unity lasted past the actual moment of conflict :/

  34. acecat2798

    acecat279813 日 前

    I think a more satisfying arc for Robbie would've been starting out as a know-it-all teen who's independent in part because of his dad's absence and toxic masculinity dictating that he be a lone warrior type as the only proper way to be a man, but learns that social dependency is a fact of life. This wouldn't need to be "we all team up to save the world," it could be asking his dad for help or even breaking down crying (this would be helped if he had seen at least some of the real cost of this and had been internalizing it into rage). In this case, he could make for a counterpoint to Rachel (who learns she *can* get the bag), who stands on her own two feet in some way. The conclusion in this case would be that all of the family are interdependent contributors- not coddled loads like Rachel nor lone wolves like Robbie that are both destructive to the family dynamic that Ray has created by his absence. Ray would also benefit from this, because he would both have to actively care for his children while accepting their help in return. Anyone have thoughts on this version of the arc?

  35. Dannan Tavona

    Dannan Tavona14 日 前

    There is another major difference between the 2005 version and the earlier versions. The 1953 version ends with people clinging to hope in a church, and the microscopic denizens finally wreaking their havoc upon the Martians. Faith is a means of hope during a crisis. Soldiers who fight in combat often do two things. They pray to live and they fight for their brothers in arms. Within a few moments of the 2005 version, the Martians take deliberate aim at the church -- in effect saying that religion or faith will not save you and has no place in surviving such a holocaust. Which is patently wrong. It is by some commonality that people work together to rise above tragedy and catastrophe. Faith can be and is often one of those commonalities. The refutation of faith was part of the message of the 2005 version of War of the Worlds. So what does the film leave us with? Faith is worthless and won't help you (even though it could provide comfort and motivation), and if you survive, it is simply by dumb luck of the draw and not due to some innate personal strength or goodness of the MC. In the hopelessness of the time, what a nasty message to convey to the film's viewers. It had the same anticlimactic impact as Bush's, "Let's go shopping" after the attacks. As you point out, films are a reflection of the times -- in this case, the national sense of hopelessness of that time period. People wanted to do something, to contribute somehow to "paying back" those who attacked the country. Instead, we were told to continue on as normal while our national guard units were called up, and the stories of corporate greed and outright murderous malfeasance (forcing Eric Prince of Blackwater to change his mercenary company's name); there's a lot more. The documentary "Iraq for Sale" is just one example of how bad it was. For the above and for other reasons, the 2005 version will always be for me the lesser film adaptation of Wells' story. The people responsible for that mess were screenplay writers Josh Friedman and David Koepp and director Speilberg. Spielberg should have known better. FWIW - I found Edge of Tomorrow (Live Die Repeat) (2014) to be a smart and well-written story -- and watching prima donna Tom Cruise get hurt over and over was perversely satisfying. Sometimes the MC has to be dragged kicking and screaming into becoming a better person. And, sometimes he needs to get killed a few hundred times before he realizes the world does not revolve around him.

  36. kieran kerschat

    kieran kerschat14 日 前

    Jeff Waynes musical version of war of the worlds is best version and better then both these movies :)

  37. Martin D

    Martin D14 日 前

    Pay attention movie goers. The more peanut butter you put on the sandwich the louder it hits the glass.

  38. Dave Murray

    Dave Murray15 日 前

    Nothing can be better than Morgan Freeman soothing voice narrating the ending. It's like chocolate mousse on an already amazing cake.

  39. Dave Murray

    Dave Murray15 日 前

    1 Millions views CONGRATS !!!!

  40. Luca Schlichte

    Luca Schlichte15 日 前

    I'd say whether humans are Monsters roots in what Kind of Environment they grew up in and what Kinds of role models they have.

  41. MG Wray

    MG Wray16 日 前

    Vis a vis Robby and Ray, there's this awesome moment in "World War Z" (the book) where a Palestinian teenage boy living in Egypt refuses to go with his family to Israel, a country which not only totally survives behind its well-constructed wall but also invites all Palestinians worldwide to seek refuge there. But this teenage boy is like, "No! Fuck those Zionist land-stealing bastards! I'm not going! You can't make me!" And his father, who up until that moment has been nothing but the mildest and most sweet-tempered of parents, beats the living shit out of his son in front of his wife and daughter and then holding the boy by the collar of his shirt yells in his face, "I am your father! You will come with me or I will kill you!" [paraphrasing] Now that is how you parent in an apocalypse. Incidentally, the audio book for World War Z is available on audible, and features a full cast including Alan Alda, Mark Hamill and personal fav Henry Rollins.

  42. William B

    William B16 日 前

    Hardly only "strength in numbers." It would take a lot of writing to explain the Prussian victory over the French. This is bad history. Very bad history. Welles was concerned about war in general, the increasing effects of war on civilian populations, and especially the growth of mechanized and dehumanizing warfare. He almost certainly was thinking about the South African Boer War too, which was Europeans v. Europeans. The most brutal colonialists were the Germans and the Belgians (and, arguably, the Dutch). Mindless slaughter and genocide were not general characteristics of British colonial policy, which was hardly a fixed thing anyway during the peak years of British colonialism. Much is missed here. Too much. I don't have time to critique this whole video, but it reminds me of the clever, but far too subjective and current-events-and-concerns heavy, papers that college students write these days. They aren't *history* but they will provide future historians with glimpses into our present mindsets, which will further provide insights into the causes of the endless mistakes *we* are, and will be making, one of which is the hubris-filled belief that "we" now are the most knowledgeable and enlightened people ever, and that we have the right to sit in our comfy chairs and judge the past. The other is that these supposedly knowledgeable and enlightened people aren't the ones who are making mistakes.

  43. 1manuscriptman

    1manuscriptman16 日 前

    KUDOS for knowing about the Battle of Dorking.

  44. fexbio

    fexbio18 日 前

    I think Robbie should have died. I don't think there were four character arcs to be resolved here, but only one. It's Ray's story. Robbie (and the others) are less than characters and more like plot devices. Ray's the one that needs to evolve. Robbie's death would have been a metaphore for how acting childish and egothistically in front of a stressing situation would make everyone's world worse and result in your own demise. And also would have put in a mixed victory - which is way more realistic in this context than the "everyone is fine" ending. But it's Spieberg, he's not great at grey. I disagree, though, that the mere fact the character's arcs are better resolved in the Independence Day makes for a better movie. They were resolved because they were simpler. This is the same to say a guitarrist is better than another just because the first one can perform Wondewall perfectly while the second made mistakes in Paganini's 24th Caprice ending.

  45. P73

    P7318 日 前

    How about this... Ray initially tries to take his kids to Boston to dump them off on their mother, Ray is almost to his ex-wife's doorstep when the Tripods come out of nowhere and destroy the city, killing their mother. The kids are stunned by the sudden loss of their mother, and Ray has to process that now they actually *need* him and he actually *needs* to be a father. This would also provide justification for Robbie to want to 'get back at them', and Ray would have to help Rachel find strength to overcome the trauma she witnessed.

  46. todd johnson

    todd johnson23 日 前

    Red lipstick. PORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  47. Antonio Brooks

    Antonio Brooks24 日 前

    Has that Justin dude ever been in a good movie?

  48. admiraliggz

    admiraliggz25 日 前

    God you're so smart!!! Much respect & love 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏👍👍

  49. Julie Norris

    Julie Norris25 日 前

    Boy oh boy do I ever love me some Tim Robbins. Just watched Jacobs Ladder last night for like the 10th time ( the original of course) don't bother with th new one it's dumb. K byyyyeeeeee

  50. CountKilroy Graf

    CountKilroy Graf29 日 前

    10:53 to be fair, I think that's how most of us would react.

  51. Splicerslicer

    Splicerslicerヶ月 前

    @Lindsay Ellis A video about invasion narratives and in 1996 you chose Independence Day over Star Trek: First Contact? Disappointing. Interesting video nonetheless.

  52. shoesncheese

    shoesncheeseヶ月 前

    Yeah. Those War of the Worlds aliens were crap. Why do they look like their tripods? Do we drive around in bipedal machines? Their description from the original says they kind of look like tentacle covered bears with giant wet mouths in their chests.

  53. kory stephens

    kory stephensヶ月 前

    Ukog is Robbie?!

  54. Cate Chateau

    Cate Chateauヶ月 前

    Can we talk about the war of the world's musical?! 'Oo-ah's aimed directly at your heart. Banger after banger; Forever Autumn, Thunderchild, The Spirit of Man. Do not get me started on the spirit of man 2009, the reprise babee. The heat ray is electric guitar. This musical is felt in the loins . Thank you.

  55. Iafiv Iv

    Iafiv Ivヶ月 前

    I always disliked the ending of War of the Worlds with the reveal that somehow our annoying son survived and made it to Boston faster than the dad and daughter.It kind of reeks of Spielberg losing his guts and going for a happy ending(?????) sorta.Weird considering how its a movie in which 1 billion people are stated to have died.Its also weird that Boston of all places is still mostly in one piece.Sure there's devastation but its not completely destroyed.And even weirder the ex wife and her folk did not flee the city when the tripods started zapping.I understand confusion and all but i don't know its like too few people in alien movies have ever seen alien invasion/disaster movies or if they have none of them ever say 'i saw something like this in a movie i know what comes next i ain't sticking around'.Its even more awkward because one thing that was said immediately after 9/11 was how it seemed like a movie.Even within hours that was being heard.So we have real life confirmation that if something trully outlandish happens someone is gonna say 'its like the movies'.For a movie trying to capitalise on 9/11 its funny that they don't actually acknowledge this minor detail.And i might have actually cared about the reveal if the son was not annoying but Spielberg went overboard on the whole bratty teen angle and forgot that for an audience this is pretty much all we know about the kid.

  56. Thomas Byrne

    Thomas Byrneヶ月 前

    Makes you wonder how a post-Trump America will treat the depiction of Presidents. Will they dispense of the courageous President archetype who stands up for his people and issues riveting speeches and can fly fighter jets and wield rocket launchers and replace it with more self-serving and craven Presidents who talks nonsense and roll over in the face of danger?

  57. William Bowen

    William Bowenヶ月 前

    Love the video and the reference to Frank McConnell

  58. Gustavo Krieger

    Gustavo Kriegerヶ月 前

    You know what makes Independence Day great? Bill Pullman's speech. It is hands down one of the greatest speeches in cinema history, not at all for content, but for mood, for setting, for sound editing, for his acting. Every single time I watch that scene, every hair on my body stands up in response and my internal monologue goes straight to "U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!".... And I'm Brazilian...

  59. David Chu

    David Chuヶ月 前

    E. T. = D?

  60. Hassan Syed

    Hassan Syedヶ月 前

    I prefer war of the worlds. Those tripods are really intimidating.

  61. ThatLycanTomboy

    ThatLycanTomboyヶ月 前

    “It will never be 1996 again” Me, a person who has only witnessed 1996 after its passing: is that a bad thing?

  62. HiKaDK77

    HiKaDK77ヶ月 前

    All I'm taking from this video is that: a) Independence Day has better character arcs and is better written than the Star Wars sequel trilogy. b) This a great review of both ID and WotW and I'm glad I discovered this channel. and c) Holy shit, is Robie's actor the same as the one that played Goku in Dragon Ball Evolution or are my eyes tricking me?

  63. Isabelle Pohle

    Isabelle Pohleヶ月 前

    Aaaaannnddd!!! Aaaannnnddd!!! The villain often reflects the hero!! Therefore... The aliens are the villains... What does that say about us? ;)

  64. Chris Parkes

    Chris Parkesヶ月 前

    War of the Worlds is one of the grimmest popcorn movies ever made: I remember being stunned at Spielberg’s use of Holocaust and 9/11 imagery. It felt like an attempt to process historical trauma, and I love it when big movies smuggle that stuff in. I think Robocop and Starship Troopers both do this better than any other examples I can think of.

  65. SutasSjet

    SutasSjetヶ月 前

    I am so glad I found your videos. Your humor is right up my alley and your topics/discussion are well thought out . Keep it up, Lindsay.