Framing Megan Fox: Feminist Theory Part 3 | The Whole Plate: Episode 7

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  1. Gola245

    Gola2453 日 前

    2018's Bumblebee is basically the 2007 Transformers movie if it made Mikaela the protagonist and focused on her character instead of her sexuality.

  2. 3Rayfire

    3Rayfire4 日 前

    Mikayla was the real hero. First, this video was so good I'm going to use it as reference material from now on. Second, I think that the framing in the under Bumblebee's hood scene should actually be specifically interpreted as Sam's first person view, and how *he* sees Mikayla, which of course is a bit of a problem since he's our viewpoint character. Third I was deeply sad that Megan and Mikayla were written out of the franchise because, again, Mikayla was the real hero. Frankly Mikayla staying and Sam leaving would've been the way to go. I did like Last Night implying Sam went crazy though, that's pretty funny. Mikayla having an arc where she went rogue with the Autobots after the US Government betrayed them for the umpteenth time would've been phenomenal.

  3. tkdyo

    tkdyo7 日 前

    Maybe I'm just too ok with sex, but I don't remember coming away from the first Transformers thinking of Megan's character as a slutty bimbo. I remember thinking of her as both hot and capable. Why can't we enjoy overt sexuality and also see a person as more than that on film?

  4. Blank Blanckersen

    Blank Blanckersen分 前

    Part of it was also the Mandela Effect; the simplistic interpretation happened to catch on in the zeitgeist, and the uninitiated/immature/naive human brains among us osmose the notion, as it's easier to accept something commonplace in the background than it is to _think_ about it. "If _everybody's_ saying she's just a sexy lamp, then she _must_ be a sexy lamp. It just makes good sense."

  5. MissMoontree

    MissMoontree8 日 前

    That Trophy part hurt. Because I've been there before, a guy that loved the idea of me, but refused to see me as a person. I was just a fancy handbag/trophy to be shown off (I was "cool" for his friends, pretty, did the study his mom wanted him to do), just to be replaced with another girl within a week. It is really sad that Michael Bay, a grown man, send that message to Meghan Fox.

  6. disagio

    disagio9 日 前

    Men need to stop making shit

  7. TheArmchairrocker

    TheArmchairrocker10 日 前

    Needed more Starscream.

  8. haselni

    haselni10 日 前

    I think there's another layer to the dissonance between visual framing and dialogue: It flatters the (male) viewer who sees (is being told) that there is more to Mikayla. The male characters she interacts with can't see it, and even the camera's gaze (implying the gaze of the viewing audience) can't really see it. This tells the viewer: "Wow, she's such a catch, not only is she hot, she's also capable of and interested in cool things! And YOU are the only one to realize the latter part! It would be so easy to connect with her. You could give her what she needs (respect). And then the hot, hot reward would be yours. Because you are so good, dear viewer." I see it as audience pandering on the same level or even higher than harem anime. Harem anime just says "this talentless, bland halfwit getting all the girls could be you," Transformers says "this talentless, bland halfwit is getting the girl, and you could easily snatch her away from him due to your intense merit."

  9. Blank Blanckersen

    Blank Blanckersen19 秒 前

    So it's a reward to the Nice Guys in addition to the overt jerks. I see.

  10. Serina Sanchez

    Serina Sanchez11 日 前

    When I saw the movie as a younger child, I always thought Michaela was awesome and badass, and really angry and confused as to why she was suddenly gone in the third one and we were expected to care about Carly, who struck me as boring. Looking back with this video in mind, I probably thought of her that way because as a pre-pubescent hetero girl, I wasn't able to fully recognize/be effected by the sexualized framing. Funny how that works.

  11. Ian

    Ian12 日 前

    Mikayla (sp?) was the PERFECT protagonist for Transformers. It's too bad we ended up with the "comedy" antics of Sam Witwiki.

  12. pincmin

    pincmin15 日 前

    A ver good movie that plays with the male gaze is "Revenge". It's in fact a final girl genre movie that is an essay in itself about this issue.

  13. AlexanderDraconis

    AlexanderDraconis15 日 前

    It...bothers me how much I allowed myself to be played by this, and by other people's resulting derision of Fox's character. I definitely liked Michaela more than Sam (I hate Sam and he's why I quit after movie 2), but I didn't realize just how much of that appreciation for her was derailed by this issue until I watched this. Fuck.

  14. Lorraine Swartzentruber

    Lorraine Swartzentruber16 日 前

    I wish you would write a book on this stuff!

  15. Houston _Co

    Houston _Co19 日 前

    Wooooow wait a minute... That girl in the white house scene was Carlie?

  16. Jenny FT

    Jenny FT22 日 前

    Excellent analysis!! 👌

  17. vince the ratboy

    vince the ratboy23 日 前

    i really liked mikayla but thought megan fox did her dirty by playing a totally different kind of character. turns out it wasnt really the acting but a pretty actress getting fucked over by the camera work. huh

  18. Nic Nack

    Nic Nack23 日 前

    Enjoying this examination years after it was made and I haven't gone through all the comments, but I'm currently imagining a version of the first movie filmed from Mikaela's perspective which exposes the "male gaze" slant as a product of being told from the male (Sam's. Et al) perspective.

  19. daymyth

    daymyth28 日 前

    This whole thing is a meta commentary, it's a self fullfilling prophecy. The audience does to her exactly what the charachters in her own world do to her. They overlook her because of her appearance. It's kind of genius.

  20. ULGROTHA

    ULGROTHA20 日 前

    In a subtle, insidious, horrifying kind of way; yes.

  21. KaiserShep

    KaiserShepヶ月 前

    This was pretty interesting. I remember when I first saw the film, and I think Sam was largely the focal point of my hatred, some parts of which I couldn’t quite put my finger on as to why, and I think this video nails it. He’s a buffoon who is continually rewarded while another character in need (and deserving) of a meaningful payoff in the narrative gets the short end of the stick.

  22. Brenna Hyland

    Brenna Hylandヶ月 前

    Looking back, I get a real ominous Handmaid’s-Tale vibe from Michael Bay giving Mikaela Banes his name. He could have given the male lead his name and it would be more obvious as a self-insert, but by doing it to Mikaela, it says: You don’t need your own name because your identity does not matter. I control your life and your body, you are Ofmichael.

  23. Shatterpath

    Shatterpathヶ月 前

    Thank you for this. Fox deserves better.

  24. Madeleine Heath

    Madeleine Heathヶ月 前

    She's hot, but she's just proof that you can be smart and hot among other things.

  25. Novus Talks

    Novus Talksヶ月 前

    Megan fox is a moron! She made up a bunch of fake allegations for attention and still ended up working with the man she claimed to hate on two ninja turtles movies after transformers

  26. ULGROTHA

    ULGROTHA20 日 前

    Her career was in the tank by that point and she hasn't exactly had much luck since. I'm not going to blame her for that. ...on paper, anyway...

  27. Asma Hasmalaria

    Asma Hasmalariaヶ月 前

    Well to be fair, the movie came out like 10 years ago and everything I remember after all those years is coming out of the cinema thinking "Wow, that was a really fucking boring movie"

  28. Jeffry Oliver

    Jeffry Oliverヶ月 前

    Brava. That was brilliant.

  29. Jesse Golo

    Jesse Goloヶ月 前

    I think Bay might have done the cinematography on purpose toam make the audience act like the MC. We don't hear Megan because we're tok busy looking at her.

  30. Jesse Golo

    Jesse Goloヶ月 前

    I now see why someone, can't remember who, called you one of the best video essayists on JPreporter.

  31. Diamond Lincoln

    Diamond Lincolnヶ月 前

    It's crazy because people dont realize that women with "perfect bodies and faces" struggle too because women are already seen as objects and less important and beautiful women are seen even more as objects so it doesnt matter if they are smart or a good person or talented smh they are only seen as objects.

  32. ULGROTHA

    ULGROTHA20 日 前

    "doesn't" But yes.

  33. Geordie Bailey

    Geordie Baileyヶ月 前

    I'm using this video for help in talking about framing in my thesis. YUP.

  34. Sita Bita

    Sita Bitaヶ月 前

    I have to admit, for a long time, I didn't think well or highly of Megan Fox. I thought she was only ever picked as an actress because of her looks. I viewed her only as an object. I feel ashamed for that because when I see her in stuff now, I can see that she has skill and talent with her work. I feel doubly ashamed because, even back then when I was in high school, I preached acceptance and love. Yet I completely turned my back on that with women because I felt that if I defended Megan Fox or Kristen Stewart, said I liked feminine colors, or got emotional that I'd come across weak or "be like every other girl". I associated weakness with women and femininity and strength with men and masculinity. I hear the term "internalized misogyny" and I immediately scoff at it because I assume I can't be a victim to that. But then I remember how much I hated myself for being weak because I was a woman or hated and judged other women or forced myself to do things I didn't like and ignored things I did (or at least refused to admit that I did like them like reading Twilight. It's only been within the last couple years that I stopped saying "My poor dad. I forced him to read Twilight. I basically torture the guy") because I didn't want to be seen as a stereotypical girl. And all of that is internalized misogyny.

  35. Alea Anderson

    Alea Andersonヶ月 前

    Maybe Charlotte Mearing hates being called "ma'am" because to her, it's the same as someone calling her old or as an underhanded insult to mock her as a woman in a position of power. Looking back at how Secretary Keller tells Maggie off, telling her to work on that 'brain-mouth thing' as in "brain-mouth filter", it's basically a man telling a woman that her intelligence (especially with all the big and fancy words she uses) makes the men in the room look bad and feel incompetent, so if she wants to keep her job, then she needs to stop sounding too smart for own good, i.e. too smart for a woman. Also, the part where the Secret Service woman being asked by the president to fetch him a snack like a maid with him referring to her as "darling" in a stereotypical Southern drawl is certainly cringeworthy. It's like the commander-in-chief would more or less treat a file clerk with more respect than this woman who worked her butt off to reach the level of Secret Service agent.

  36. Melinda

    Melindaヶ月 前

    This topic has been disturbing me for a long time. I'm glad to see someone talking about it, I appreciate that.

  37. BASSCODE PROJECT

    BASSCODE PROJECT2 ヶ月 前

    I just realised i used to be alot like Sam... and then i realised i'm still a 27 year old with a discoball in my car... Sooo.... Yes pretty and intelligent woman! Please tell me more about how hollywood is messing with ze brain.

  38. Shuttitt Uppitt

    Shuttitt Uppitt2 ヶ月 前

    Megan Fox deserved to be a bigger star than the transformers for one BIG reason. The transformers ended up looking like a bunch of metallic SPLINTERS! Their overall look was kinda cool, but the "splinters" look is just weird.

  39. Aaliyah Everett

    Aaliyah Everett2 ヶ月 前

    Thank you! I saw this when I watched Transformers again. Megan Fox's character is a good, well rounded character that was unfairly overly sexualized, by the director and by her surrounding male characters. This would have been fine if this was to make a statement about female empowerment but it doesn't.

  40. Jay Carr

    Jay Carr2 ヶ月 前

    It’s interesting, you showed the framing of Fox leaning over that car several times. The first time I saw it I basically thought “I remember that, she’s pretty hot”. And....and then you described the framing....and then I remembered I was supposed to have grown up a bit in the last 15 years. And then you showed it to me several more times. And each time I felt a tad more guilty and, frankly, voyeristic. Up to the point that the last time you showed it, I was averting my eyes around the screen, desperately looking for anything to ground myself in the fact that Fox is a good actress and Mekeila is a good character..... Did you know that, in those shots, there is nothing on screen with which to do that? I’m guessing you probably did, and I’m feeling pretty ashamed that I didn’t. But sometimes feeling terrible is the only way to remember that you learned something, so thanks. I’m glad I watched it, I needed that badly... Moving past bias is hard work, but I feel that it’s worth it in the end.

  41. mblacksenior

    mblacksenior2 ヶ月 前

    I...like your videos

  42. J Berg

    J Berg2 ヶ月 前

    Could Michael Bay being trying to tell us something with his blatant use of stereotypes? Like, kind of calling us out on it IRL. Everytime he comes out with a new movies with the same stereotypes, it’s kind of like he’s saying, hey-if you want me to stop using these devices, why do you keep watching my films? Or am I reading too much into this? On the other hand, could the dissonance of framing be a purposeful attempt to show us the problem with the male gaze?

  43. L7 Weenie

    L7 Weenie2 ヶ月 前

    "she realizes that he, like everyone else in her life, does not love her" damn that hurt 😖😩

  44. DonBelial

    DonBelial2 ヶ月 前

    Yeah well, Megan Fox, Victim, male gaze, point made. But: "The Self-Manufacture of Megan Fox", NYT Magazine www.nytimes.com/2009/11/15/magazine/15Fox-t.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

  45. Gwenevere Baldwin

    Gwenevere Baldwin2 ヶ月 前

    I think I watch this video at least 3 times a week now, not even joking

  46. jaymesEo6

    jaymesEo63 ヶ月 前

    The misogyny of Michael literally naming the female protagonist after himself is not lost on me. No wonder he thought he could subject Megan to so much on set torture Hollywood was complicit in creating this monster.

  47. Shawn P

    Shawn P3 ヶ月 前

    Maybe the first movie purposely establishes the dichotomy of visual sex kitten vs deep, motivated human being for females to highlight the hypocrisy of both sides of "Feminism", the backwardness of Hollywood, and to get us to Think. Nah. Michael Bay. But yeah: the cars are Transformers. They change from objects of desire and admiration in the typical male-dominated world to complex, individual "people", like Bey is trying to get us to see that Women in Movies are People underneath their Sex Kitten Exterior. Maybe even that they can be both (heresy in traditional Feminism) and that forcing them into only one, either one, is just as criminally limiting.

  48. Wanda Nemer

    Wanda Nemer3 ヶ月 前

    Although, then again... Michael Bay.

  49. Shawn P

    Shawn P3 ヶ月 前

    03:37 Devil's Advocate (and admitted Trolling): Maybe they couldn't admit that the character was not sexist and was well-developed not because of the camera but because of Society forcing them to damn all men regardless of their guilt; they couldn't admit that she wasn't a male trope because that would undermine their basic beliefs and passions. Discuss.

  50. BinaryStarofShaolin

    BinaryStarofShaolin3 ヶ月 前

    Oh my god Frances McDormand was in this movie??

  51. bea haxby

    bea haxby3 ヶ月 前

    Mostly good but I disagree on some of it. As a feminist, what the Megan Fox case proves to me is that women can be both subjects and spectacles at the same time. I don't think the car fixing scene is 'objectifying' her, I think she is actually asserting dominance over Shia Lebouf. Firstly disarming him sexually and then ALSO emasculating him by fixing HIS car. Instead of the rough-hewn, male mechanic fixing the woman’s car. So Shia Lebouf is just standing there looking like a useless goof while this perfect 10 supermodel fixes his car like ‘where’s yours at, loser?’ So the message of this scene is basically: women can do anything men USED to be able to do and AND look great while doing it. The word 'objectifying' is really overused. There's nowhere in Laura Mulvey's theory for any kind of empowered exhibitionism. Women can be both spectacles and subjects in a way that I don't think men can.

  52. Karen Page

    Karen Page3 ヶ月 前

    7:47 Compare Maggie Madsen from the first movie, with Rachel Taylor's performance as Trish Walker in Jessica Jones.

  53. Erica Bautista

    Erica Bautista3 ヶ月 前

    AaaaGH thank you for this!!! I saw this movie when I was like 7 or 8 with my parents and I remember just loving Mikaela's character cuz she was so pretty but at the same time badass. The way she was framed flew right over my head, because her moments in the final part were so much more memorable. When I grew up, I was so surprised to find out that people actually didn't like her character and now I realize why.

  54. Stephen Gillie

    Stephen Gillie4 ヶ月 前

    So you're saying this movie could use the same treatment as Folding Ideas gave to the last Matrix movie - and focus on Mikaela, with Arcee instead of Bumblebee? I could watch that.

  55. Thoughtful Devil

    Thoughtful Devil4 ヶ月 前

    Megan Fox definitely brought more to her role in Jennifer's Body than it really deserved. Also, why is everyone in the Transformers movies orange? I've never seen one before. Is this a plot point or some kind of style?

  56. Alea Anderson

    Alea Anderson3 ヶ月 前

    @bea haxby Who was the 'genius' that ever thought it was a good idea to color grade films to make people look like carrots? It's a pain on the eyes and it's getting old.

  57. bea haxby

    bea haxby3 ヶ月 前

    look up hollywood teal and orange

  58. Emilce Diaz

    Emilce Diaz4 ヶ月 前

    I'm so happy I've never seen those movies!😄

  59. Matthew Fodell

    Matthew Fodell4 ヶ月 前

    It’s very striking how that metatextual message of “Michaela is a disposable object” -> “Megan/women are disposable objects” also occurs in that way because in capitalism, all waged labor is commodified (including actors), therefore labor (and the laborer) becomes disposable, objectified... Megan Fox being tossed out is an embodiment of that fact, which also happens to perfectly reflect the message being sent to/about Megan Fox and women through the framing of Michaela and the ejection of Megan Fox from the series. Obviously it was an unavoidably sexualized issue (she wasn’t JUST objectified and disposed of as an actor, and as fellow commenter Fawn Whisperer points out, there’s a lot of behind the scenes drama around this which makes it very obvious and clear that Bay’s views on women are a huge factor), but it’s no coincidence that objectification and dehumanization of women and objectification and dehumanization of waged workers take on such similar forms (and can overlap this way). This is all one phenomenon which manifests in all kinds of ways any time a group of people is subjugated, made into a distinct underclass in some respect.

  60. Simon Sozzi

    Simon Sozzi4 ヶ月 前

    Do you want to/have to see these movies? You seem prepared to watch them all. Is it so you can talk to your students? A way to use your degree? It pays the bills...?

  61. collin stanley

    collin stanley4 ヶ月 前

    fuck man. transformers was unfortunately like a big part of my childhood and it kinda makes me mad to see how badly Michael Bay fucked up its potential. legitimately great groundwork but he couldn't keep his pecker away for five seconds to make a good movie.

  62. ComradeWinston

    ComradeWinston4 ヶ月 前

    Never occurred to me that Megan Fox' character had a name lol

  63. Omnarrator

    Omnarrator4 ヶ月 前

    Gotta say You made a lot of very valid points that make me view these films a little differently.

  64. Pa šutiraj deeečkooo!!!

    Pa šutiraj deeečkooo!!!4 ヶ月 前

    they should have kept the australian girl and anthony anderson in the following movies

  65. Holly Ann Ann

    Holly Ann Ann4 ヶ月 前

    This is interesting to me because I remember being really irritated at the replacement character as a child and I think it’s because I was actually invested in Megan Fox’s character.

  66. 0ctopusComp1etely

    0ctopusComp1etely4 ヶ月 前

    Anyone that says Michaela is the worst character obviously hasn't paid attention to 90% of the other characters. Especially Sam. ESPECIALLY. Sam.

  67. Poefeathyr

    Poefeathyr4 ヶ月 前

    I mean why does the ugly, idiot, douche get the pretty, intelligent, well rounded girl? He doesn't deserve her, but it's framed like she doesn't deserve him. That she's not good enough and he could always just get any hot bod that walks passed him.

  68. Christy S

    Christy S3 ヶ月 前

    Poefeathyr can u say “male fantasy” lmao

  69. Cielo Planes

    Cielo Planes4 ヶ月 前

    I actually stopped watching those movies when Michaela wasn't a part of the movies anymore. And I just realized that that was the reason. She was the only interesting character. And I only like the protagonist when he was in a relationship with her.